Hi! Just a couple questions on the new CAN keyboard with rotary switches. I see in the description it says fully customizable. Is this just referring to customizing the function of the switches or can you move the switches around or add switches? I’d like to set it up horizontally with a row of 5 rotary switchs across the bottom. This would be perfect for my application and is a much more user friendly and nicer looking option vs. making my own switch box and using the switchboard. Or are there other products available elsewhere? Any advice or opinions welcome!
Physically the keyboard cannot change. the 2 rotary knobs on the one side are not moveable. 5 on the bottom would be cool but a 12 button and 5 DSP’s might be more to your liking then.
The keypads are full programmable in the sense of button function (including multi press, timed press, etc) and the lighting is fully customizable in behaviour (colour, and assigning functions to a colour, etc).
You can use a button as a counter, so let’s say press once = boost mode 1, press again boost mode 2, etc.
They are also waterproof, vibration proof, easy to use with gloves on and imo they look cool
Thanks for clarifying. That’s what I thought, I just wanted to check. The functionality along with fit and finish is fantastic. I was hoping for an all in one solution but it looks like I’ll have to get creative.
Doing a little more research and found in the ADU manual there is an appendix describing the uses of the keyboard. It shows that you can use the buttons as a selector for what the rotary encoder is doing. I want to use it like that with an EMU Black and no ADU. Would it be possible to set up a button for say launch control where a short press of the button turns it on or off and a longer press of the button enters an edit mode where you can use one rotary encoder to change RPM then click the knob and it changes color to adjust boost target then you click the knob again to lock them in? I want to have one knob dedicated to overall boost trim. I have similar ideas for traction control and rolling antilag.
Made them at Adu. Set results as preserved channels so wong go to default and result send to ecu over can bus.
Yeah do it in an ADU. send any blending table stuff as a analog voltage and calibrate in the black. The Black is just not sophisticated enough to do these functions. You’d need a Pro, PMU or ADU to get that and I’d say the ADU is a good choice as it can display more settings wise then colour on the keypad can.
I don’t think you can adjust target rpm of launch control via a CAN or analog message but the boost trim you can. That’s again more of a EMU Pro type of thing
Here’s a little background info on what I’m working with. The car is an MK3 supra with a 1jz that belongs to a good friend of mine. It has the old boxy classic ecu in it and he wants to add some features to the car that aren’t supported by that. He already purchased the EMU black but with all of the additional features he wants I’m out of inputs again, which is why I’m looking for more functionality out of the keypad. I can’t use a switchboard because the car has a BTI touch screen gauge and that operates by emulating a switchboard. He just wants that for the gauges and wants tactile buttons and knobs for activating and adjusting functions.
What he wants to have on EMU control is 2 fans, fuel pump, starter, DBW motor and clutch, CEL, tach, 6 coils and injectors.
For inputs he has Cam, Crank, VSS, front wheel speed, flex fuel, fuel pressure, oil pressure, coolant pressure, wideband, coolant temp, intake temp, oil temp, clutch switch, brake switch, PPS, TPS and 2 knock sensors. With the black I’m short 2 inputs already for TPS/PPS checks.
Function wise he wants obviously the basics: DBW, sequential injection and ignition etc. Then LC, TC, rolling anti lag, scramble, cruise control. All with buttons/knobs for arming/activating/adjusting.
The more I dig into this I’m thinking he may want to return the black and get a pro. One other thing I’m thinking is to get a PMU to free up some inputs and outputs and have better control of the keypad and with that I could directly drive fans, fuel pump, starter etc and simplify his wiring.
In a perfect world I think the right answer is go PRO, ADU, PMU and keypad then get rid of the BTI but cost is a bit of a factor.
I may be getting a little off in the weeds with this project. What would you do to get the functionality without making it unnecessarily complex/expensive?
To me I think the best option budget included would be a Pro8. Even compared to switching brands I think its really strong value for the money and it has software features that I haven’t seen anywhere close to the price point. Its leaps ahead of the Black when it comes to traction control and stuff like that.
I personally always keep the APP/TPS inputs on the Ecu, then oil/fuel pressure inputs as these are related to safety strategies and sampling speed is important. While I do trust CAN bus communications, I put things like oil temp and clutch/brake switch on CAN instead.
PMU also not a bad way to go, both the pro and PMU can operate a keyboard and the BTI at the same time an intermingle functions but I think the Pro would do the engine functions a lot easier then using a PMU to stretch the Black’s limitations.
I agree critical sensors must stay direct wired to ecu. Thanks for your feedback. I’ll talk to him and see how much he wants to stretch the budget lol