Will the Pro series ECUs have the capability to do torque based tuning like some of the current Motecs do? see below video for reference
It could be an advanced feature for the future, but if anyone has seen one of Brads cars operate, it seems to be a brilliant piece of software for high HP turbo track cars.
Hi,
Yes, it is part of our long-term plans.
I saw the video and looked over the Motec PRO firmware documentation.
Emtron has very similar features.
It’s very good for controlling traction and very useful when working with automatic/dual-clutch transmissions. But it also adds an additional layer of complexity, and calibration is time-consuming.
For now, we are entirely focused on direct injection support since we can provide the most cost-effective way of running those engines with a standalone setup.
Thanks for the reply.
I understand your priorities, and I think DI support is very important also.
It would be interesting to get a bit of a road map of what the Pro series software development plan looks like over the next few years. It would be great as a customer and user, to see what new features we have to look forward to in the future.
We were planning on making the road map, but it can be negative for us in a way that people will constantly ask when all the features will be ready and why there is no XYZ feature on that list.
I think we will do a road map, but a bit later, after we finish the big stuff we are doing now and have less pressure for releases.
Hello, are there any updates on this topic?
Hi,
Not yet.
Still a little busy with the direct injection.
We are currently working on base maps for various engines.
And we got sidetracked with new projects, one of which is related to direct injection.
We will present some new devices at the motorsport expos in the fall.
Is the torque model something crucial for you?
If so, could you please tell us why?
Torque Demand:
Direct Control:
Torque demand is a strategy where the engine control unit (ECU) receives a direct request for a specific amount of torque from the driver or another system.
Calculations:
The ECU then uses this torque request, along with other factors like engine speed and temperature, to calculate the necessary airflow, fuel injection, and ignition timing to achieve the desired torque.
Benefits:
Torque-based control can offer more precise and responsive throttle control, potentially leading to better drivability and fuel efficiency.
This will help alot on driveability on boosted applications, like my new build.
This looks like AI response.
Please don’t do that.
I don’t want to talk to AI.
You don’t need torque modeling to have good drivability.
Did you work with torque modeling strategies in practice?
I was the one who sent that summary to Ealoken.
I will probably do some of the initial setup on the project too.
As you previously mentioned, the traction management is superior when using a torque model. I have worked with and used torque models in a Magneti Marelli MLE-240 in motorcycle racing for the last 4 years, and before that we used TPS mappings on an identical bike. Ofcourse we could get it to a good state with TPS maps, but the torque models gives you a far better and more predictable control of the power output, and by extent, the vehicle dynamics.
Ok, thank you for that response.
We need to determine if it’s a genuine request from someone who knows how to utilize a feature like that. There’s no point in implementing a complicated strategy if it’s a request from someone who has only heard that it’s good.
We are having more and more discussions about implementing this, as we are working on supporting automatic gearboxes over CAN bus, and precisely calculated engine torque would be beneficial for that.
However, that is not something we can accomplish in a month or two.
We would use it.. LOL.
Can help add to functionality and usage if needed. Very proficient in TQ and Airflow based systems. You hit the nail on the head though, how many people will realistically “actually” use or understand how to use.
I would like to use this functionality. I’m in the process of building a high torque, low grip, FWD circuit car, so I think this added functionality will be great. I have the benefit of having time on my side, as the car is still being built, so would be happy for it to come in a later update. I will be more than happy to help test it in the future.
I also think this functionality, is more applicable in higher end ECUs, so would be a good feature to offer in the PRO ecu line in the future.